Do all you people talking about the great talent pool, ect. know that in the history of Powell Valley highschool they had won a grand spanking total of 1 district title before Phil took over. That's one (1). Ever.
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Do all you people talking about the great talent pool, ect. know that in the history of Powell Valley highschool they had won a grand spanking total of 1 district title before Phil took over. That's one (1). Ever.
I'd say talent might have had something to do with it because if i'm not mistaken didn't Robbins coach at John Battle and wasn't his record there 15-42-3? Does that mean that he wasn't as good at Battle?
yea his comment saturday was a little uncalled for but oh well it's the past. and even if his record at battle wasnt that good look at what he has done with PV. He's only lose 17 or so LPD games in 24? years.
Coming from a Haysi guy here Phil is a good coach and there is no question about that whatsoever...is he a good person and role model? Well thats a completely different question and not for me to decide anyway. I guess everyone can draw their own conclusions.
Who has been saying Haysi is a GREAT team? I may have missed something I guess. To me GREAT is a big word.
"If you want your kid to be a good football player send him to Phil Robbins. If you want your kid to be a gracious loser send him to John Crockett "
My nomination for post of the year!
How bout this: If you want your son to be a good football player, have a good male role model and be "gracious" IF you do lose then send him to Tom Turner.
Yep, Tom Turner is one hell of a coach for sure.
Appy was on the top high school programs list of all time as well... that really speaks alot for their program.
With a school so small, that speaks even MORE.
If winning were easy, then there would be no point to playing the game.
A great quote from someone much wittier and probably richer than I'll ever be.
But, as in many things in sports, there needs to be an asterisk, an addendum, something added to an oversimplified statement; that's your actions. Everyone who has ever played an organized sport knows how to act as soon as you win: jump around, act like a little kid, thank God, your mom, and say you're going to Disneyworld. It's easy. Not everyone knows how to lose. One needs to be as gracious in defeat as they are in victory. Not everything you nor I do in life is going to be a victory, so we need to know how to handle these setbacks.
What Coach Robbins did was lash out. He lashed out his anger and he part ripped his team but moreover, he ripped his opponents, Haysi. Not having seen Haysi play this year, I don't know what they did that no one else did, except run a Cover 3 defense, but that's another story for another day. The fact is this, Robbins' true emotions showed through, he was pissed, he felt he had the better team, yet he lost, end of story.
The true "losers" are the people who may end up taking his statement to heart, the kids who fought for him on the football field, the kids who believe every word that comes out of his mouth as if they were reading it from the Bible. Not saying it will happen, but I've seen things smaller than this make kids think about themselves in a whole new light, for the worse or the better. These kids could start lashing out everytime don't succeed, everytime they don't get their way.
I think one of the truest lessons I ever learned on the football field was how to pick myself up again after we'd been beaten. You learned to take the smallest thing good in the worst defeat and have it as something to grow on. Something to build on for Tuesday's practice, next Friday's game, next year, for the rest of your life. Now as thick headed as I am, this is not a lesson I learned on my own, nor anyone on my team for that matter. It started with the coaches, then ran through us as players. I credit a lot of my success to this day to those lessons.
I'm not downing Robbins for his actions, I just think as a high school football coach there needs to be more to you than just wins and losses.
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Phil obviously just speaks his mind regardless of who hears it. We all are guilty of that.
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Including me, which is a perfect example/reason of why many people on this board have a grudge against me.
I speak my mind without being afraid to - and that's something that most people can't or just simply don't want to do.
I don't think Phil felt he had the better team...I didn't read that into his remarks at all...in fact I think he was just frustrated because he realized on Saturday that he absolutely didn't when before coming into the game he thought he probably did. I think he put down his own team without question...I think he either did one of the following to Haysi: 1) Disrespected their accomplish for beating his team or 2) Has a tremendous amount of respect for Giles more so than he has for Haysi(which disrespects both his team and Haysi indirectly)
Phil Robbins is a good coach, however when he came to Big Stone Gap he more or less walked into an ideal situation as far as coaching high school football goes:
* Powell Valley had just won their first state championship the year before his arrival.
* A strong feeder (little league) program had already been put into place by those who came before him.
* Powell Valley was by far the largest school in Region D.
* Big Stone Gap was pretty much a hub for business/job opportunities, so the place to live in or near abouts was Big Stone. For the most part as far as Wise County goes, this still holds true to this day. Bottom line - more families in the area = more talent to choose from.
I personally would give the community more credit than they currently are given.
Robbins was a head coach for 12 years before becoming the head coach of Powell Valley:
1971 - 1976 John Battle (15-42-3), 25% winning percentage
1977 - 1982 Christiansburg (32-28-1), 52.4% winning percentage
1983 - 2005 Powell Valley (228-55), 80.5% winning percentage
Again, Phil Robbins is a good coach no doubt. But Big Stone Gap/Powell Valley made Phil Robbins a winner, not the other way around.
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Do all you people talking about the great talent pool, ect. know that in the history of Powell Valley highschool they had won a grand spanking total of 1 district title before Phil took over. That's one (1). Ever.
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That's due to Powell Valley competing in the same district as Clintwood during their "hay-days". Powell Valley had some very good seasons in the 70's and into the early 80's before Robbins arrival, but just happened to coincide with the Greenwave's best teams in the history of their program. Not many people within the LPD fared well against Clintwood during that timespan, if at all.
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I've heard enough stories on the man from people that would know to make my own conclusions. He could've been bragging on Giles as much as putting down Haysi. Keep in mind Giles beat the crap out of a Christiansburg team that looked awesome at PV in the jamboree. People think alot of things, but like another poster said him and Spurrier just go ahead and say it...lol
Me and Phil are tight, we are homies.
I never played for him after my sophmore year, but I would follow him into Hell with a cigarette lighter.
Now, that's a dang good post, there "neutral". You've done your homework.
Tom Turner gets my vote for Football Coach of the Century in Southwest Virginia, heck, in the whole state! He is what every coach should strive to be. You talk about players loving their coach....I believe some of his past and present players would take on a runaway locomotive for him!
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If you want your kid to be a good football player send him to Phil Robbins. If you want your kid to be a gracious loser send him to John Crockett
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Dude thats messed up pretty funny. Straight up though, if Crockett cant win within the next four years he never will. I think he's been give more than enough chances as it is but with the talent he has on the floor now he should be making trips to the state tournament in a couple years.
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That's due to Powell Valley competing in the same district as Clintwood during their "hay-days". Powell Valley had some very good seasons in the 70's and into the early 80's before Robbins
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Powell Valley football had fielded 25 teams under 4 different coaches before Phil came along..... 1 title to show for it. That's one (1).
How many LPD and Region D titles do we have?
1 out of what 10-12 aint too bad. They only started state championships in 70, so it is not like they had the opportunity in each of those 25 years. Plus Appy, and Clintwood won about half of those before Phil got there anyway.
I wasn't talking about state title, I was talking about district titles. They won one (1). That's one (1) in 25 years before Phil.
The Facts as they really are. Sorry but true.
Phil Robbins is a good coach, however when he came to Big Stone Gap he more or less walked into an ideal situation as far as coaching high school football goes:
* Powell Valley had just won their first state championship the year before his arrival.
* A strong feeder (little league) program had already been put into place by those who came before him.
* Powell Valley was by far the largest school in Region D.
* Big Stone Gap was pretty much a hub for business/job opportunities, so the place to live in or near abouts was Big Stone. For the most part as far as Wise County goes, this still holds true to this day. Bottom line - more families in the area = more talent to choose from.
I personally would give the community more credit than they currently are given.
Robbins was a head coach for 12 years before becoming the head coach of Powell Valley:
1971 - 1976 John Battle (15-42-3), 25% winning percentage
1977 - 1982 Christiansburg (32-28-1), 52.4% winning percentage
1983 - 2005 Powell Valley (228-55), 80.5% winning percentage
Again, Phil Robbins is a good coach no doubt. But Big Stone Gap/Powell Valley made Phil Robbins a winner, not the other way around.
Follow him into hell. Well you probably will.
But most a few years after their away from the God of PV Football.
Well they realize the truth. All they were was a part of the program. Big difference, when your forgotten your forgotten. Don't give me a title, why do i need to know you.
That is the difference in a coach and a coach with their ego on their sleeve.
Oh and make every excuse you can for Coach Robbins. But in reality there is none.
He makes his own problems. And honestly i bet he can't name 15 former players.
Give it a shot and see. At PV your taught from the crunch bunch up. This is how it is. That is all the kids know. Look at what is said on here. I think you can tell. None form their own opinions till their well away from the program and the man or God of PV football.
I don't personally know Coach Robbins, but I just wanted to share a little story with you guys. A friend of mine was selected to play in the VHSL All Star game, and before the game the players walk out with their coaches and families, well a certain Coach for whatever reason wasn't there to walk out with my friend, so Coach Robbins walked out on the field with him. To me that is a class act. What he said in the paper, well that was wrong, but I hope he just said them out of frustration and he truly meant no harm towards anybody. Yes he is a great coach, and yes he has been fortunate to have the level of players he has had, but it is his X's and O's that puts the numbers on the board. It is sad this has happened, but it in no way takes away what he has accomplished as a coach.
If Haysi loses by 2 touchdowns or worse this week, I think his comments will be treated with more respect.
Since you must think that list is the ends all to the issue let's take it one point at a time.
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Powell Valley had just won their first state championship the year before his arrival.
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Yep, and they had 43 players on that team, nearly half were seniors. Phil took over a team that had won 1 district title in 25 years and that returned 3 total starters on both sides of the ball and won the schools 2nd district title in his first year.
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A strong feeder (little league) program had already been put into place by those who came before him.
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Some truth here, but I played the first two years that the peanut program existed in BSG. Two other coaches had plenty of player come out of that feeder system. Between those two coaches they won 1, that's one (1) district title between them.
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Powell Valley was by far the largest school in Region D
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Actually I think Kelly usually had about the same or slightly more students most years.
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Big Stone Gap was pretty much a hub for business/job opportunities, so the place to live in or near abouts was Big Stone. For the most part as far as Wise County goes, this still holds true to this day. Bottom line - more families in the area = more talent to choose from.
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This is really just the previous arguement restated in a different manner. I will point out that prior to Phil taking over the average PV team sported about 35 players, since Phile it's about 55 players. There's a reason for this and that reason is Phil.
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1971 - 1976 John Battle (15-42-3), 25% winning percentage
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Yep, a rookie coach in a down-trodden program paying his dues.
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1977 - 1982 Christiansburg (32-28-1), 52.4% winning percentage
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I'm no expert on Christiansburg football, but seems I remember reading that Phil led them to their first winning season since sometime in the iceage.
Well Gotch here is the facts.
And no but the issue is pretty clear and so are the results.
Read them again.
And then consider, i know most think Robbins as the God of PV Football, but it's the kids and the program that make the man.
No matter what Phil did at CB. He wasn't a winner until he until he inherited, the program at PV.
Face it.
I know it's hard for those who swallow and follow Phil, to believe, but the facts are the facts.
Honestly in breaking it down you just proved the points, that not my post, but someone else's post even proved. Sorry guy but that is the truth.
Not hard to coach a program that is already in place.
And especially when you have 2 All-Americans for how many of those State Title years, and how close back to back, and how many titles since they graduated.
Oh well why cry over spilled Robbins spirts of the mouth.
He has had it made at PV. And should for the next 2-3 yrs. Then he will retire.
Like i said ask him to name 15 players who have played for him over the past 10 yrs. I bet he can't name many past the Jones brothers.
Again.
The Facts as they really are. Sorry but true.
Phil Robbins is a good coach, however when he came to Big Stone Gap he more or less walked into an ideal situation as far as coaching high school football goes:
* Powell Valley had just won their first state championship the year before his arrival.
* A strong feeder (little league) program had already been put into place by those who came before him.
* Powell Valley was by far the largest school in Region D.
* Big Stone Gap was pretty much a hub for business/job opportunities, so the place to live in or near abouts was Big Stone. For the most part as far as Wise County goes, this still holds true to this day. Bottom line - more families in the area = more talent to choose from.
I personally would give the community more credit than they currently are given.
Robbins was a head coach for 12 years before becoming the head coach of Powell Valley:
1971 - 1976 John Battle (15-42-3), 25% winning percentage
1977 - 1982 Christiansburg (32-28-1), 52.4% winning percentage
1983 - 2005 Powell Valley (228-55), 80.5% winning percentage
Again, Phil Robbins is a good coach no doubt. But Big Stone Gap/Powell Valley made Phil Robbins a winner, not the other way around.
Follow him into hell. Well you probably will.
But most a few years after their away from the God of PV Football.
Well they realize the truth.
All they were was a part of the program.
Big difference, when your forgotten, your forgotten.
Don't give me a title, why do i need to know you.
That is the difference in a coach and a coach with their ego on their sleeve.
Oh and make every excuse you can for Coach Robbins. But in reality there is none.
He makes his own problems. And honestly i bet he can't name 15 former players.
Give it a shot and see. At PV your taught from the crunch bunch up. This is how it is. That is all the kids know. Look at what is said on here. I think you can tell.
None form their own opinions, till their well away from the program, and the man or God of PV football.
Good coach yes. But how hard is it to coach at school that is set up for you, crunch bunch to varsity?
Now be honest. And was already setup before you got there.
Honestly now.
If Haysi does win though, people will just look at how much Robbins likes to wine and try to ignore it
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Neutral, I couldn't have summed it up any better. I will disagree with you on one point. Phil can name almost any player that ever started for him from 1983 on, he just doesn't care to.
You're clearly confused and rambling now. That sure was alot of typing to say absolutley nothing new.
I've already addressed your "list" and if you think I proved your point then you are also delusional.
I don't know how many former players Phil can name but I know two of them. My two sons, one who played one full year and another who played about 1/2 a year. He has asked about them, so I'm pretty sure he remembers them.
Now I realize that losing to PV under Phil year after year after year breeds discontentment but at least try to spew that venom into a coherent sentence or two.
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Well Gotch here is the facts.
And no but the issue is pretty clear and so are the results.
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Some of us oldtimers remember some of the talent PV had before Poss Bolling became coach. Ever since I can remember PV has had tremendous athletes. They won their first state title in 82, but there were several teams in the 70's that had more talent and were as athletic as the teams that the Jones played on. Coaching was their downfall back then, so great athletes cannot usually overcome poor coaching. Coach Bolling brought stability to the program. To say that Phil is not a good coach is absolutely ridiculous. He has won state titles with less talent than was there in the 70s. Coach Robbins best attribute has been to surround himself with the best assistants available. Much of Gate City's success over the years can be attributed to the same thing.
One thing that was mentioned previously, sort of. PV had talented teams in previous years, but also at that point, how many state titles were there? We talk about how many PV has won since he has been there, but there are also more state titles available now. There was a few years when PV won that Clintwood or Haysi or Honaker or others in the same size range had very good teams, and may have won a state title themselves if they had managed to get by PV, the same issue that PV had some previous years back before Phil.
You don't need to even look at state titles to gauge Phil's success at PV.
Before Phil (BP) - 141 wins in 25 years / 5.64 wins per year.
One distrisct title in 25 years.
After Phil (AP) - 228 wins in 24 years / 9.5 wins per year.
11 district title (could be 1 or 2 more, I can count 11 of them but may have missed 1 or 2).
If Phil had 141 wins and 1 state crown instead of 228 wins and 7 titles this thread wouldn't exist, the unreasonable hate towards him wouldn't exist, and some folks would have to find a different boogeyman for their imaginations to work overtime on.
I didn't see why people were freaking out about that comment. I basically got the same thing out of it that mike_jones did.
Guys that is just Phil. In all honesty he is probably just sitting back eating it all up.
I don't think anyone is saying he is a bad coach.
I think most just get tired of the arrogant and unneeded comments.
Had someone said that about PV. What would be said?
Known the man a long time.
He is like a kid in some ways. A good coach. But one who will take his ball and go home if he don't get his way.
That's just Phil.
You get past that and get to where you can talk to him. He can be ok.
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I don't gauge success on just his wins, he coaches at the <b>High School</b> level. He needs to be kind of viewed not just on his wins but how he teaches/molds/shapes the kids under him.
Again, the comparison to Kilmer in the movie Varsity Blues. Kilmer won, it was about titles. He always won, and sure there was the kids who loved him (Billy Bob), the ones who wouldn't dare speak against him, those he loved, and it wasn't until the veil of him being the 'great coach' was lifted, that some of the others started looking bigger picture. Oh sure, there are some on here that love the man, there are some former players that love the man, but there are also quite a few that wouldn't spit on him if he was on fire.
Gotch, you know just as well as I do, if Coach Colobro was asked how PV would do after they were beaten by PV and he said well they were good enough to lose to Haysi, every single person from PV would not be talking about how great of a coach Colobro was on here and such, his records, his wins wouldn't matter, it would be how could he talk about PV like that. It would be about how craphole that was, how poor of behavior that was, etc, but yet you're on here trying to stand up for the man and defend him?
That's what I always love, when things like that are said/done, step out of looking at it with the Baby Blue blinders on and look at it how it would be IF it was said about your team, not from your team.
I don't like Phil. I think he does think that the successes at PV are all due to him or at least a lot more. It's funny, when coaches are talking, they'll tell you that all they can do is coach the players up, put them in the right places, but the players have to make the plays. Well they'll say this when you've lost, or struggling, and most coaches will say its the players or admit that all they do is get them in the right places to make the plays. I think Phil thinks its the players fault when they lose, its due to him when they win. The ego doesn't really have an off switch. I can respect the results that Phil has had, but a good portion of the former players will talk about Phil and comments like this as "Oh that's just Phil". Yes, that's just Phil. That doesn't make it right, but it's an accepted excuse.
everyone judges a book by its cover u shouldn't do that
i think that most people that hates phil if you would hang out with him or talk to him u would think he's a good person. U just don't know what goes on in bsg (how he helps families out) to me that is a good person.
And when he coached at all them other schools he didnt' have near the talent that he has at POWELL VALLEY
we will find out in the next 3 years how good of a coach he is.
COACHING IS NOT JUST A JOB FOR HIM ITS A HOBBY BECAUSE HE JUST LOVES THE GAME OF FOOTBALL!!
Not judging a book by his cover, judging a book by interaction I, as long as some others I know, have had with him. He may be the Patron Saint of the Poor in BSG, and if he is, thats great. I don't know what goes on in BSG with all families, but I know there have been more than a few ex-players, family members of ex-players who have had no kind words for him.
You'll find out how good of a coach he is the next 3 years? So, PV is going to have a lot less talent that he is going to mold into winners? I thought it was that PV was going to have a lot of talent that had already been winning, so if they were already winning, how does them winning with him prove how good he is?
Now there's an unbiased opinion... [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] A senior Powell Valley linebacker who keeps on bringing up all-district/all-region topics (now, during the season & even before the season started) in hopes of being mentioned on this messageboard decides to give his head coach "props" right before the all-district/all-region selections are made. Somebody tell Ethan how great a football player he was so he can leave study hall with his chest stuck out proudly! [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
Unbiased comments, yeah right... [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
think what you want reese boy/girl or whatever